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The Passing Down of SSJ blood... What?!; It doesn't make proper sense.
Topic Started: May 29 2012, 05:07 AM (1,397 Views)
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GridZero
May 29 2012, 01:40 PM
Well..Goten was most likely conceived during the wait for the Cell Games, and that would mean that Goku was an SSJ for the entire shebang.

Trunks is an anomaly though. Not only was Vegeta probably not an SSJ during the time, but he's stronger than Goten.
Future Trunks first apperence is SSJ. He is probably born with SSJ blood, but because of having training partner like Vegeta he is much stronger than Future Trunks that had Future Gohan as training partner.
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We don't know when Vegeta got SSJ, he could have had it when Trunks was conceived. The fact that he could transform at will suggests that he had it long enough to train with it at the least. Also, Trunks was only stronger because he was older.

I generally like the theory myself. As has already been said, Cell was proof that cell's can store power so it makes sense to me that easier access to SSJ can be passed down.
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GridZero
May 29 2012, 01:40 PM
Well..Goten was most likely conceived during the wait for the Cell Games, and that would mean that Goku was an SSJ for the entire shebang.

Trunks is an anomaly though. Not only was Vegeta probably not an SSJ during the time, but he's stronger than Goten.
Goten could have been conceived before they went off to face Gero. Gero to the cell games isn't even a month in time period. Vegeta was stronger than Goku anyhow during that time span. You can argue his base was stronger than Gokus minus kaioken which is why he assumed Vegeta killed Mecha Frieza without even thinking there was a second SSJ besides himself.
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May 29 2012, 09:16 PM
GridZero
May 29 2012, 01:40 PM
Well..Goten was most likely conceived during the wait for the Cell Games, and that would mean that Goku was an SSJ for the entire shebang.

Trunks is an anomaly though. Not only was Vegeta probably not an SSJ during the time, but he's stronger than Goten.
Goten could have been conceived before they went off to face Gero. Gero to the cell games isn't even a month in time period. Vegeta was stronger than Goku anyhow during that time span. You can argue his base was stronger than Gokus minus kaioken which is why he assumed Vegeta killed Mecha Frieza without even thinking there was a second SSJ besides himself.
True. I'd forgotten about that.

I keep getting times mixed up because of the RoSaT, and Chi Chi not looking pregnant, but I guess it wouldn't matter since the entire Cell Saga takes place in less than a month.
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May 29 2012, 05:07 AM
I have a simple question to all my fellow dbz fans,

Where is the logic.... Where... In the fact that the newer generation of saiyans have an easier time attaining the all mighty super Saiyan transformation?

Goku and Vegeta had to wait their entire life to achieve it, each having times in which it was logical for them to get it before in their lives.

Then Gohan comes along, and he gets it through his first INTENSE training session. (How many intense training sessions did Goku have in his life?)

Then, Goten and Trunks pop their heads into our universe. Goten achieves SSJ in a fighting spar with his mother! Not only that, but he didn't even feel his power boost. (Based off anime). And we don't know how trunks achieved his, but we can assume its with the same relative ease.

Now, where is the logic that the less Saiyan blood you have, the more chance you have of obtaining super Saiyan.

And why did Goten and trunks achieve it so early on, when Gohan and Future Trunks it took much longer. Hell, Trunks had many times to achieve super Saiyan before he did. And Gohan could have when piccolo died, or on namek.

So, my question again, is why?
hybrids have an easier time achieving SSJ because they have a higher amount of dormant ability. dormant ability is the portion of your strength/power that you can't normally use so that you don't accidentally hurt yourself (real thing, but exaggerated in dbz). ssj is the saiyans' way of accessing that dormant ability. since hybrids have more, it's easier to access. gohan's rage boost were the same thing, btw. he was using the mechanism to transform to ssj before he had the power to actually transform. that's why he never got a rage boost after transforming.

gohan transformed more easily than goku or vegeta because goku was coaching him through it. it was also far from his first intense training. he trained for 6 months with piccolo before the saiyans arrived.

goten didn't transform the first time when training with chi chi. he doesn't even remember his first time. it's likely that he was born with enough power to transform, and so the first time he got mad because of a dirty diaper, he transformed. the same would apply to trunks (and future trunks).

we never see future trunks' first transformation, but we know that when he was 13 he was already an ssj (he sparred with 1 armed base gohan as an ssj).

gohan didn't transform before he did because when he got his rage boosts before than, he wasn't powerful enough to transform.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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